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Bye bye naughty corner

I have had this article open all day which links to this article. I stumbled across this all on the Living and Loving page – I cant link to the actual discussion but please go and read it – its the 2nd/3rd entry on their page here.

I knew there was a blog post in it but I just couldn’t sort out my thoughts and all I kept thinking was “what rubbish”

NOW I know a few of you liked the article so let me share my views on this.

When we grew up we had corporal punishment in our schools – boys were canned and often it was taken too far – I won’t deny that BUT there was order. The pupils listened. They learnt. They did not pull sinks off the walls (as I have seen in upmarket public schools) nor did they throw their litter all over the place (again seen in schools today). Pupils did not dare threaten their teacher with “You won’d do that and if you DO my father will make sure you loose your job” – true story. We never spoke back, we pushed boundaries and some smoked skelm in the loos and bunked – all normal behaviour for kids.

The big difference though we respected our teachers. We may not have liked them and swore at them behind there back but we listened to them and there was order.

I went to fetch the kids stationery packs the other day and popped in to say Hi to a friend who teaches at the school – she had to tell her class FIVE times to please sit still and be quiet – FIVE times and eventually I just left because she was not winning. As she was saying “STOP TALKING” – they were talking more. There is no respect for her as a teacher.

The article does refer to pre-schools but I suspect it will spill over to all schools and all ages.

HOW are teachers supposed to maintain order and control?

Unless the school class size is 1-1 teachers need to have CONTROL. They need order. They need the children to listen.

How do you do this if you can not “punish” children who misbehave?

What happens in a case like Sharon had? What is the teacher allowed to do to a child who bites another child? I accept that he may not understand what he is doing etc etc but it doesn’t change the fact that it is not acceptable behaviour at all. Do the parents get called to collect their child? Does the teacher kindly as the biter to please not bite as he races off to his next meal?

And if your child is being bullied? Yes you need to get to the root of it but do teachers allow him to push smaller children? What are they allowed to do to protect the “innocent”.

Corporal punishment has been removed from schools – fair enough I can accept that but remove naughty corners and other forms of “punishment” and we are setting ourselves up for major issues when these children graduate.

One of my pet peeves is people not accepting the consequences of their actions and this kind of thing advocates for that. Children know that nothing will happen to them if they talk in the class or break the toilets so they continue to do it. They are not learning that for every action there is a consequence. Does this not bug anyone else?

I am not saying beat the children or place all of those who misbehave in exile island but teach them that their actions are not acceptable and if the continue biting/smaking/throwing then they WILL be removed from the group.

Kiara has spent many a break in her classroom (with fellow offenders) for not listening to her teacher. I support this whole heartedly. Cameron, an all round good pupil, received a black dot in the 2nd term because his teacher warned him 3 times to please stop talking. Again I support the decision – he has never done it again. Neither child was disrespected, bullied by the teacher or in any other way made to feel rejected.

I think sometimes we are trying to hard to “protect” our kids from the wrong things. Discipline is not a bad thing.

What are your thoughts on this? (Barbara I am really keen to hear what you think)



  1. 1 December, 2011 / 1:08 pm

    I wholeheartedly agree that some form of punishment is a must!

    I dont agree with corporal punishment but I do agree with naughty corners and time outs. I even agree with tabasco sauce (as is the case in Aarons play school).

    If Aaron hits or bites or spits on another child or is mean to them, he is given tabasco and sent to the naughty corner.
    He knows that this is the punishment and more often than not will think twice before doing something.

    He has even come to me after spitting on his sister and told me what he did and asked if he was getting tabasco and if he said sorry can he not get it.

    Children have to learn that actions have consequences!

  2. 1 December, 2011 / 1:42 pm

    I’m so with you on this one Laura – one just has to look at the UK which is a country that has gone so overboard on rights for offenders that its the victims that are ultimately being punished.

    The youth in the UK have so many rights and absolutely zero responsibilities. Jaden, as you know, has been very challenging and we use time out, and smacks with him.

    I never threaten with “you will get a time out” I ask him if he would like one because he knows that certain behaviours have certain consequences. Mostly he chooses to rectify his behaviour! Even at school they use the same technique and his teacher says that after going to the step several times in the first few weeks he is rarely if ever on the step now because he makes different choices.

    Life is all about making the right choices and if young children don’t realise that inappropriate choices have negative outcomes how will they ever learn to control their urges and function in society?

  3. 1 December, 2011 / 2:58 pm

    I absolutely agree with you and for me there’s nothing more annoying (I actually see red so it’s worse than just annoying) than a disrespectful child!

  4. 1 December, 2011 / 7:26 pm

    Oh, Discipline is a difficult topic these days. Children are more spoilt, left to ‘run’ their parents and households.
    Before I was a Mom, I was very PRO corporal punishment. Now that I am a Mom, I can’t bare the thought of his teacher smacking him out of frustration or because he misbehaved. I took my son out of a school where his teacher smacked one boy because he moved off his sleeping mat, and another was pulling kids by their arms forcing them to lie down – the unecessary things our kids have to endure.
    I don’t think giving a child things like soap, pepper, etc is a good choice either.

    But that said – there definately has to be some form of consequence for bad behaviour. I think your childrens teachers handled that good enough and I’d be ok with that. My sons teacher uses Naughty steps and I’m ok with that too.

  5. 2 December, 2011 / 7:48 am

    I am a strong believer in “old school” displine. Spare the rod spoil the child. HOWEVER there are limitations to the amount of displine and who does it and how it is executed.

    A hiding isnt always the best option and in life you do get child the will not respond to a smack , or simply dont need to be smacked. But then you get children where a good hiding is all they really need.

    I also believe that because of the day and age, most teachers and school has lost control over their students and class rooms because of the “laws” that are currently in place ( look at the education system in UK – no punishment is allowed) But I also believe that the parents set the biggest presidence when it comes to displine, if there is no at home, or if there is disrespect etc…this behaviour will be carried on into school.

  6. 5 December, 2011 / 10:09 am

    I agree. I am a firm believer in (fair) discipline. As a single mom with no alpha-male around it is crucial (in my mind) that I instil respect and discipline in my boys.

  7. 6 December, 2011 / 11:43 am

    Ok – I am putting my foot in it, but I do believe a well timed (very seldom used) smack is worth it’s weight in gold. But for it to be efficient, it has to be the odd occasion – for the rest, yes, me loves the naughty corner.

  8. 7 December, 2011 / 8:46 am

    I don’t mind corporeal punishment in schools if it’s within reason, and I would want to know about it and why it was necessary.

    When I was in school we had it and the one thing my dad insisted on was that if we had to get a smack it was to be done on our bottoms where there is padding for that…not the hand! He said that there are loads of little bones in there that can easily get damaged and can’t be fixed. It was very embarrassing at the time, but in hindsight I do agree with him.

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